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07-18-2012 12:18 PM
We are using Woodward’s Load share module 9907-175 in the1.8MW CAT Diesel generator (emergency) . The DG works fine in the island mode, but when DG is paralleled with the normal power supply, every time, within seconds of paralleling, DG incomer and normal power incomer trips on reverse power and over-current respectively. The droop mode has been selected in the load share module during both island and parallel operations. Could this event be because of existing droop setting of load share module or load gain setting? Pls advice the remedial measures to be taken to enable the DG run in parallel mode sharing the load. Appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Gobinath
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07-18-2012 11:43 PM
The load share module is intended to allow the CAT engine to share load with another load share lines type device, such as another LSM or a 2301A Load Share governor. For paralleling to the grid you would need an additional device, like a Generator Loading Control, look up Woodward publincation 82434 for an explanation of how it works.
Mike L.
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07-20-2012 04:35 AM
Hi mike
You have an interesting combination of errors.
Reverse power and overcurrent at the same time.
I think that the answer to your problem can be found from the overcurrent alarm. Normally when you run in island you are running with fixed frequency and fixed voltage.
When you run parallel to grid you need to control the power and the power factor. From your description you have with the droop only changed the fixed frequency control to a power control when parallel. Your AVR is still trying to maintain a fixed voltage and as you are connected to the grid then it is the grid voltage it is trying to control. (your generator is large but not large enough for that J)
So when you are running parallel with the grid you need to change the AVR so it controls the Power Factor instead. Then it will automatically accept the grid voltage as its own and this will limit the current. ( simplified explanation). You are not saying what AVR you have but if you have the CDVR this can be programmed using a binary input when parallel.
This might also solve your problem with the reverse power as the droop on the engine is based on the current. As the current is raising as a function of your current voltage control, the your speed setting is lowered driving the engine into reverse power. In principle it might be the delta between the generator voltage and the grid voltage who determines if it is a reverse power or an overcurrent you trip on. Small difference will be reverse power and a larger difference will be overcurrent.
Best regards
Søren Dahl Christensen
DEIF A/S
Technical presales Manager
Plant Management Solutions,
Power Technology Diesel
DEIF A/S
Plant managemnt Solutions
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Power Technology Diesel
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07-25-2012 08:52 AM
Both suggestions above are good things to check.
Has it ever worked or is this a new installation?
I would add IF you have the right load share module(s) on the genset and the mains connection, do you have it connected correctly? A simple pair of swapped wires on the load share lines could do this. You should have 3 wires: KW, Comm, KVAR.
You could use only droop mode if it was enough -- I would start at 5% if you are not using the load share lines -- on both KW droop on the speed control and KVAR droop on the voltage control. You don't HAVE to have KVAR/PF control, but if you don't you will need to adjust the voltage almost constantly
Last suggestion: paralleling is tricky business. Consequences are huge! Yes, your genset, too, could end up on it's side or it's back!! Broken couplings, sheared shafts, damaged generators...anything is possible.
Do you have a power system study done to determine the correct protective settings, like overcurrent and reverse power?
Get some help from someone with paralleling experience...you will be happy you did!
Best regards
Steve
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07-25-2012 09:45 AM
Hi,
From my experience with CAT gen-sets on Eneria PS the Woodward LSM is build to work on load sharing lines, working with anther genset(s).
When you work on parallel to mains you must have installed one synchronizer (preferred with load control).
If you have problem with reverse power usually on Woodward LSM it comes from one of CT (is not correct connected and the LSM (or incorrect grounded) and is measuring incorrectly the genset power driving the engine throttle down instead of up when droop mode is active CB on).
My advice to you is when you try to test to keep up all protections down to minimum possible step.
Use procedure from below link: page 16 to 19 (Woodward Manual 02036 (Revision F))
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07-27-2012 07:09 AM
balag5 wrote:We are using Woodward’s Load share module 9907-175 in the1.8MW CAT Diesel generator (emergency) . The DG works fine in the island mode, but when DG is paralleled with the normal power supply, every time, within seconds of paralleling, DG incomer and normal power incomer trips on reverse power and over-current respectively. The droop mode has been selected in the load share module during both island and parallel operations. Could this event be because of existing droop setting of load share module or load gain setting? Pls advice the remedial measures to be taken to enable the DG run in parallel mode sharing the load. Appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Gobinath
Hi,
The Caterpillar LSM doesn't have a provision directly synch to Grid and Load share - This alone works as a PWM Sensor when grid synch is required - Load sharing is require another controller SPM Synchronizer or to bias signal for the speed input to be connected to 24, 25 Terminals with this LSM
I suggest Woodward Easygen controller enables this speed bias with LSM to adjust the speed to take care of KW Load sharing when it is connected to grid.
It also require to integrate Voltage Bias from Easygen to CDVR terminals to take care of Volge control
Then Esay gen to set as base load controller input from Synch breaker to Easygen to activate base load.
Also proper tuning/settings to achieve the above will give healthy synchronizing.
I suggest to take a Woodward engineers support to achieve these things.

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